Ulysses ([info]ulyart) wrote,
@ 2009-11-17 15:15:00
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meditation, the Red Book
Meditation involves paying attention to attention; being aware of awareness; sensing sensation.

It does not involve, however, thinking about thinking, which would more properly be called philosophy or cognitive science.

Philosophy and cognitive science are important pursuits in their own right, but not to be confused with meditation.

I've always thought of my philosophizing as a kind of obsession, a desire to project categories upon the chaos which surrounds me, and in doing so, obtain some semblance of security and familiarity. In philosophical mode I toy around with concepts; I create new ones, refine them, winnow them down, see how they relate to what I experience.

In meditative mode, I suspend all concepts, and apprehend the world in a more direct way-- surfing on naked energies. As a most obvious entry into this other way of being, I suspend the use of words-- this is why Zen arts like archery or the tea ceremony are conducted in silence.

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I bought Carl Jung's The Red Book not necessarily intending to read the text.

The Village Voice Bookstore called me saying "Your order has arrived... you'll probably want to come with a wheelbarrow to pick it up."

I ended up going with a small suitcase with wheels. And was glad I did!


Anyway, it's not the content of the text that is important. Rather, The Red Book offers a record of a psychoanalytic modality, the one that worked for Jung.

I wouldn't expect to get transformative insights just by reading transcripts of sessions of somebody else's psychoanalysis. The only way to get that insight would be to undergo psychoanalysis myself.

That said, after much reflection, I don't intend to undergo traditional psychoanalysis myself. Not for the time being at least. It's going to be one of those roads not taken, mostly because of the huge financial outlay it would require.


Jung encouraged everyone to "Create your own Red Book..." I take this literally: get out the pens and inks and create your own illuminated manuscript, your own sacred object. That would be a better modality for me.

It's interesting to note that Jung's individuation process including building a stone tower with his hands, creating stone sculptures, drawing mandalas, and painting and writing the myths of the Red Book. Traditional psychoanalysis ("Talk therapy") alone could not get him where he needed to go.


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So many of my LiveJournal friends have left the site.... I am thinking of shifting my blog to another host as well. Anyone have any advice for me who has made a similar move?





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[info]felephant
2009-11-17 03:23 pm UTC (link)
I vote against your changing host.

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[info]peramble
2009-11-17 06:46 pm UTC (link)
Amazingly, I still read LJ. I would like a link to your new blog if you decide to switch.

Do you really apprehend the same things in the world in meditation as you do in philosophy or cognitive science? If not, it would seem more like changing the subject than anything else. What is it that you apprehend in meditation? And what is the nature of this apprehension, of 'surfing on raw energies'? If it doesn't involve categories and concepts, is it directed toward any thing in the world at all?

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[info]ulyart
2009-11-17 08:56 pm UTC (link)
Is meditation directed toward any thing in the world?

"Thing"iness is an interesting concept.

Are space and time "things" for instance? Can they be apprehended? Is consciousness a "thing" and can that be apprehended? Is the ground- against with a figure stands in relief- a thing? Is silence a thing?

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[info]peramble
2009-11-18 12:36 am UTC (link)
Thing-ness is an interesting concept, and certainly not a new one. Heidegger dealt with it somewhat, though I am not well-versed in his work. I agree that not all that exists is a thing.

What is meditation, though? I wouldn't personally have compared or contrasted it with philosophy or cognitive science as its purposes and methods seem rather different from theirs. How does meditation serve as an alternative to philosophy and cognitive in your life?

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[info]ulyart
2009-11-18 09:31 am UTC (link)
I am not a cognitive scientist myself (though I do read some of what cog-scientists write), so I'll leave that out as I answer your last question.

Is meditation an alternative to philosophy? "Alternative" is not how I would put it.

That would be like asking if listening is an alternative to talking, or if sleeping is an alternative to being awake. These complementary pairs always go together.

Yes, the purposes and methods of listening are different from that of talking, and yet I don't think it's nonsensical to try to compare and contrast the two states, or at least to relate them to each other in some way.

For now I have not established a practice of formal sitting meditation, though I practice a lot of meditative arts like music, drawing and Taiji. But I am considering going to meditate with a group here whose catchline is "Poetry, Philosophy and Meditation"-- right up my alley! And the leader of the group is a Heidegger fan.

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[info]rynsect
2009-11-19 06:33 am UTC (link)
i am excited about the red book. we won't get them until next month, here.

i'm sure it'll be close to incomprehensible, but i love the idea of this thing, this physical object, holding revelatory secrets, being hidden from the world's eyes for nigh on eighty years. how many of those are left?

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[info]ulyart
2009-11-21 08:32 pm UTC (link)
Ha... I'm not sure how useful such secrets actually would be, though. Or, rather, I think the power of any "secret" transformational technique only comes through application and practice, and cannot really be transmitted at the level of text.

I may be wrong, of course. I'm just extrapolating from my own experience. Every complex skill I've learned-- from piano-playing to Taiji Quan, I've learned over months or years with a teacher plus intense practice... I couldn't imagine learning these skills from a book!

That said, I do read books about piano playing and Taiji, not because I expect to receive any revelatory secrets from them, but because it's interesting to see how others put words to experiences I've had. It's interesting to see my tacit sensations made explicit.

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[info]rynsect
2009-11-23 03:56 am UTC (link)
useful, no indeed--but interesting, surely. i think you're right to say the power's in the practice, and that it can nevertheless be interesting to see the process expressed in prose. by secrets, maybe i meant to say: the meaningful things he kept to himself. what i like about the red book is that it's seen as a seed that turned such a tree, and i won't be surprised if the reality isn't as engaging as the idea, but it'll be fun to take the ride.

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